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"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > Dearest Bob,
> > > >
> > > > I wish you a very happy birthday and hope that it will be one
> > which
> > > > will provide you with fond and happy memories.
> > > >
> > > > All the best
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > >
> > > Thanks a million, JB. Thank Holy Pharmaceuticals we're not really
> > > doomed to be the same person, or we'd each get to be older *twice*
> a
> > > bloody year!
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > You don't think our respective parents should be given any credit ?
> > :^)
> >
>
> Nah, Holy Pharmaceuticals had not produced the pill in my day, let
> alone my parents heyday.
>
> Bob
>
>

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Julie,
>
> Yesterday, you gave the impression that you thought Bob McGregor and I
> were the same person. Three people pointed out that we were not. I
> wonder what you think today. I hope you will decide to answer not
> only this post but also some of those I wrote to you yesterday.
>
> JB
>
Hi JB,
I guess you missed my comment about that. I didnt think the two of you were
the same person. I was responding to one of Bob's posts concerning
something you had said and when I used the word "they" it implilied that I
was addressing you and Bob. This was not my intention at all. Please
forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say. I
appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.
Julie
Dont Drink, Go to Meeting, Get a Sponsor, and Work the Steps.
>
>

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Julie,

The above suggests that you continue to think that I am Bob McGregor.
Therefore, I'm angry and upset. However, having got as far as I have
in AA's 12 Step Programme I know it will do me no good to turn your
stupid thinking into a resentment against you. I'm not ashamed to
admit that at this point it's dammned hard not to.

JB

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> > Dear Julie,
> >
> > Yesterday, you gave the impression that you thought Bob McGregor
and I
> > were the same person. Three people pointed out that we were not.
I
> > wonder what you think today. I hope you will decide to answer
not
> > only this post but also some of those I wrote to you yesterday.
> >
> > JB
> >
> Hi JB,
> I guess you missed my comment about that.

No I didn't. I read all that you wrote yesterday.

I didnt think the two of you were
> the same person.

You never have ? .

> Please
> forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say.

Why ? To make you feel better ?

>I
> appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.

I don't give a damn whether or not you appreciate me sharing here. I
don't believe I give a damn who does.

Let me explain something to you that your post leads me to think you
do not yet understand. What's been bothering me most today has been
your failure to respond to anything I said yesterday.

Now, what's also bothering me and being the reason why I feel as I
write this such anger towards you is your idea - your only idea - that
you think I should forgive you for failing to clearly express yourself
.. In the circumstances and at this time, I am not willing to forgive
you anything.

JB

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c5o0gv$kcs$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Dear Julie,
> > >
> > > Yesterday, you gave the impression that you thought Bob McGregor
> and I
> > > were the same person. Three people pointed out that we were
not.
> I
> > > wonder what you think today. I hope you will decide to answer
> not
> > > only this post but also some of those I wrote to you yesterday.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > Hi JB,
> > I guess you missed my comment about that.
>
> No I didn't. I read all that you wrote yesterday.
>
> I didnt think the two of you were
> > the same person.
>
> You never have ? .
>
> > Please
> > forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say.
>
> Why ? To make you feel better ?
>
> >I
> > appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.
>
> I don't give a damn whether or not you appreciate me sharing here.
I
> don't believe I give a damn who does.
>
> Let me explain something to you that your post leads me to think you
> do not yet understand. What's been bothering me most today has been
> your failure to respond to anything I said yesterday.
>
> Now, what's also bothering me and being the reason why I feel as I
> write this such anger towards you is your idea - your only idea -
that
> you think I should forgive you for failing to clearly express
yourself
> . In the circumstances and at this time, I am not willing to
forgive
> you anything.
>
> JB

BTW, you don't need to point out that you posted a few comments to me
yesterday. If you look at my posts which you did not respond to,
maybe you'll decide that they ought now to be answered.

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> Julie,
>
> The above suggests that you continue to think that I am Bob McGregor.
> Therefore, I'm angry and upset. However, having got as far as I have
> in AA's 12 Step Programme I know it will do me no good to turn your
> stupid thinking into a resentment against you. I'm not ashamed to
> admit that at this point it's dammned hard not to.
>
> JB
>
This is from my previous post of less than an hour ago. Did you miss this?
Hi JB,
I guess you missed my comment about that. I didnt think the two of you were
the same person. I was responding to one of Bob's posts concerning
something you had said and when I used the word "they" it implilied that I
was addressing you and Bob. This was not my intention at all. Please
forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say. I
appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.
Julie
Dont Drink, Go to Meeting, Get a Sponsor, and Work the Steps.to you on
>

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c5o0gv$kcs$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Dear Julie,
> > >
> > > Yesterday, you gave the impression that you thought Bob McGregor
> and I
> > > were the same person. Three people pointed out that we were not.
> I
> > > wonder what you think today. I hope you will decide to answer
> not
> > > only this post but also some of those I wrote to you yesterday.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > Hi JB,
> > I guess you missed my comment about that.
>
> No I didn't. I read all that you wrote yesterday.
>
> I didnt think the two of you were
> > the same person.
>
> You never have ? .
>
> > Please
> > forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say.
>
> Why ? To make you feel better ?
>
> >I
> > appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.
>
> I don't give a damn whether or not you appreciate me sharing here. I
> don't believe I give a damn who does.
>
> Let me explain something to you that your post leads me to think you
> do not yet understand. What's been bothering me most today has been
> your failure to respond to anything I said yesterday.
>
> Now, what's also bothering me and being the reason why I feel as I
> write this such anger towards you is your idea - your only idea - that
> you think I should forgive you for failing to clearly express yourself
> . In the circumstances and at this time, I am not willing to forgive
> you anything.
>
> JB
>
Ok, then don't forgive me. I had no intention of harming you in any way and
when I read your post and realized you had been offended I asked you to
forgive me. What more can I do than that JB.
I am not online 24 hours a day so it would not be strange if I didn't
respond to a message you posted here to me.
I never said you and Bob where the same person and I have no idea at this
point as to how you were even given that impression. Refresh your messages,
go back two days and check it out and show me what I have done wrong.
I need to puke, take my temp, inject more interferon, and go to sleep
hopefully. Will be back in 5 hours or so.
Julie

>

I need to puke, take my temp, inject more interferon, and go to sleep
hopefully. Will be back in 5 hours or so.
from previous post:
I had no intention of harming you in any way and when I read your post and
realized you had been offended I asked you to forgive me. What more can I
do than that JB.
I am not online 24 hours a day so it would not be strange if I didn't
respond to a message you posted here to me.
I never said you and Bob where the same person and I have no idea at this
point as to how you were even given that impression. Refresh your messages,
go back two days and check it out and show me what I have done wrong.
Julie

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c5p4hd$i6c$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:X2Ufc.8609$l75.4859@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c5o0gv$kcs$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > Dear Julie,
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, you gave the impression that you thought Bob McGregor
> > and I
> > > > were the same person. Three people pointed out that we were
> not.
> > I
> > > > wonder what you think today. I hope you will decide to answer
> > not
> > > > only this post but also some of those I wrote to you yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > Hi JB,
> > > I guess you missed my comment about that.
> >
> > No I didn't. I read all that you wrote yesterday.
> >
> > I didnt think the two of you were
> > > the same person.
> >
> > You never have ? .
> >
> > > Please
> > > forgive my failure to clearly express what I was trying to say.
> >
> > Why ? To make you feel better ?
> >
> > >I
> > > appreicate your sharing here and I would hope it will continue.
> >
> > I don't give a damn whether or not you appreciate me sharing here.
> I
> > don't believe I give a damn who does.
> >
> > Let me explain something to you that your post leads me to think you
> > do not yet understand. What's been bothering me most today has been
> > your failure to respond to anything I said yesterday.
> >
> > Now, what's also bothering me and being the reason why I feel as I
> > write this such anger towards you is your idea - your only idea -
> that
> > you think I should forgive you for failing to clearly express
> yourself
> > . In the circumstances and at this time, I am not willing to
> forgive
> > you anything.
> >
> > JB
>
> BTW, you don't need to point out that you posted a few comments to me
> yesterday. If you look at my posts which you did not respond to,
> maybe you'll decide that they ought now to be answered.
>
>
>

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, then don't forgive me. I had no intention of harming you in any
way and
> when I read your post and realized you had been offended I asked you
to
> forgive me. What more can I do than that JB.

As you are unwilling to find out whether or not you have done more
than you think you have to offend me, I'll do the work :^) As some of
the posts from which I'm about to quote are long, I'm quoting only
what I consider to be the relevant bits. In so doing, I think it
possible that you'll consider you words to have been "taken out of
context". In so doing, you'll be able to avoid having to face the
fact that your actions have caused me as much offence as your
inactions.

1st post

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...

> > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?

> > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
> and
> > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
> to time.

(JB snips a section)

> Bob will not
> change
> > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas
(not
> the
> > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
> meetings and
> > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through
his
> own
> > justifications and misguided thoughts.
> > Julie
> > >
>
> LOL,
>
> Is this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
> loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
> Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
> become ?
>
> JB
>
Considering the slanderous lies you speak about a program that saved
my life
and has helped to save over a million other alcoholics, Yes I think I
have
been a very "loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person,"
and
factual as well. I have tolerated your negative garbage for months
since I
first realized what you are and I made a decision yesterday (not an
emotional reaction) to challenge your lies about AA and to let
everyone who
would listen. You put down other people here and slander AA nearly
everyday
in this news group only because you disagree with AA's way of dong
things so

(JB snips a section)

Julie

--------

Given that you quoted words I used - not Bob - does it seem logical to
you that I should think that your post was aimed at me ? For the
record, I have never slandered AA. I've been in it for nearly 8
months, I'm working it's 12 Step Programme, I attend meetings every
week, I do service, I have a Sponsor. I don't think I've kept it
secret that I think AA is right for me.
..
2nd Post

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c5lfr3$c6h$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > news:c5kkin$2ok3g$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > > > JB simply shared the experience he has had in the program.
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Julie,
> > > >
> > > > Do you also doubt that I am a woman ? :^)
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > I never even thought of what your or anyone else's gender is
here
> > actually.
> > > What does it matter?
> > > Julie
> >
> > Do you mind being called something you are not ?
> >
> What is this all about Bob?
> Your making comments about a conversation thats going on inside of
your head
> without telling the rest of us just what the hell your taking about
Bob!
> Julie

Julie,

Bob did not post the message to which you have responded. I did.

I'd like to know why you think it ought to not matter whether or not
someone's gender is correctly noted by posters when you've very
recently given the impression that it matters very much to you to not
be called a transvestite (which is what you are not). In case you
have forgotten what you said when you were called a transvestite,
here's the relevant section of your post:

> > "Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
what
> > you
> > have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
> > slander
> > and bigotry. Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five
years
> > ago and
> > I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you
want,
> > but the
> > TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to
categorize
> > me and
> > never will be".
(From: Julie (Julie919@earthlink.net) 14th April 2004)

---------------

This post went unanswered. For the record, you once apologised to me
for having mistaken me for a man. Maybe you cannot do so now because
your whole being is consumed by feelings of self-importance, drugs and
disgust for Bob McGregor. Also for the record, I've concluded from
observing your behaviour on this NG that how you are is what I hope I
will never become as a result of working AA's 12 Step programme.
Maybe for only that reason you have been helpful to me.

JB

Thank you for your efforts JB. I wrote at least 30 responses to Bobs
comments concerning AA while in the midst of several strings over the last
three days and NONE of my comments were intended to be directed at you JB.
I was simply responding to what I found posted from Bob in these strings. I
fail to see how I can do more to make amends to you other than to say I am
deeply sorry for any harm I have caused you and to promise that I will take
the time required to ensure that such an error on my behalf will not be
repeated in future.
Julie

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Ok, then don't forgive me. I had no intention of harming you in any
> way and
> > when I read your post and realized you had been offended I asked you
> to
> > forgive me. What more can I do than that JB.
>
> As you are unwilling to find out whether or not you have done more
> than you think you have to offend me, I'll do the work :^) As some of
> the posts from which I'm about to quote are long, I'm quoting only
> what I consider to be the relevant bits. In so doing, I think it
> possible that you'll consider you words to have been "taken out of
> context". In so doing, you'll be able to avoid having to face the
> fact that your actions have caused me as much offence as your
> inactions.
>
> 1st post
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c5mpfr$rhc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
>
> > > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
>
> > > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
> > and
> > > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
> > to time.
>
> (JB snips a section)
>
> > Bob will not
> > change
> > > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas
> (not
> > the
> > > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
> > meetings and
> > > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through
> his
> > own
> > > justifications and misguided thoughts.
> > > Julie
> > > >
> >
> > LOL,
> >
> > Is this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
> > loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
> > Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
> > become ?
> >
> > JB
> >
> Considering the slanderous lies you speak about a program that saved
> my life
> and has helped to save over a million other alcoholics, Yes I think I
> have
> been a very "loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person,"
> and
> factual as well. I have tolerated your negative garbage for months
> since I
> first realized what you are and I made a decision yesterday (not an
> emotional reaction) to challenge your lies about AA and to let
> everyone who
> would listen. You put down other people here and slander AA nearly
> everyday
> in this news group only because you disagree with AA's way of dong
> things so
>
> (JB snips a section)
>
> Julie
>
> --------
>
> Given that you quoted words I used - not Bob - does it seem logical to
> you that I should think that your post was aimed at me ? For the
> record, I have never slandered AA. I've been in it for nearly 8
> months, I'm working it's 12 Step Programme, I attend meetings every
> week, I do service, I have a Sponsor. I don't think I've kept it
> secret that I think AA is right for me.
> .
> 2nd Post
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:rXEfc.10262$zj3.2394@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c5mna2$8v8$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:12Bfc.7725$l75.2517@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > > >
> > > > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:c5lfr3$c6h$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:4Rlfc.7152$l75.6938@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > news:c5kkin$2ok3g$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > >
> > > > > > JB simply shared the experience he has had in the program.
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > Julie,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you also doubt that I am a woman ? :^)
> > > > >
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > I never even thought of what your or anyone else's gender is
> here
> > > actually.
> > > > What does it matter?
> > > > Julie
> > >
> > > Do you mind being called something you are not ?
> > >
> > What is this all about Bob?
> > Your making comments about a conversation thats going on inside of
> your head
> > without telling the rest of us just what the hell your taking about
> Bob!
> > Julie
>
> Julie,
>
> Bob did not post the message to which you have responded. I did.
>
> I'd like to know why you think it ought to not matter whether or not
> someone's gender is correctly noted by posters when you've very
> recently given the impression that it matters very much to you to not
> be called a transvestite (which is what you are not). In case you
> have forgotten what you said when you were called a transvestite,
> here's the relevant section of your post:
>
> > > "Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
> what
> > > you
> > > have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
> > > slander
> > > and bigotry. Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five
> years
> > > ago and
> > > I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you
> want,
> > > but the
> > > TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to
> categorize
> > > me and
> > > never will be".
> (From: Julie (Julie919@earthlink.net) 14th April 2004)
>
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>
> This post went unanswered. For the record, you once apologised to me
> for having mistaken me for a man. Maybe you cannot do so now because
> your whole being is consumed by feelings of self-importance, drugs and
> disgust for Bob McGregor. Also for the record, I've concluded from
> observing your behaviour on this NG that how you are is what I hope I
> will never become as a result of working AA's 12 Step programme.
> Maybe for only that reason you have been helpful to me.
>
> JB
>
>
>