I faced the reality of my actions when I worked the steps and took action to
correct them, but Bob has refused to use these spiritual tools that AA
offers (which is his choice) but for some unknown reason he relentlessly
attacks the AA program.
I bear no hatred towards Bob or other individuals here. In meetings people
will who have such issues either go back to continue their drinking or clean
up this type of twisted thinking that Bob share with us by working the steps
with a sponsor that help them to be honest.
In this detached forum I feel that the news group has an obligation to
present facts and our personal experiences about recovery and I do not think
that it is wise to allow the slanderous comments about AA, Smart Recovery,
other recovery programs, or ANY individual who posts here to go unchallenged
to long. My experience in recovery is in AA and that is what I share. I
have no need to slander other recovery groups, hospitals, or institutions,
but I will not ignore comments like Bob has been making about AA without
challenging him from time to time. I may aggressively respond to Bobs
comments, but I do not hate him I just will not ignore his false statements
of fact.
Is this wrong, I feel it is not.
Don't Drink, Go to Meetings, and Work the Steps? This is what I know, this
is what I share, and this is what has kept me sober and free for the last
eleven years.
Julie

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I faced the reality of my actions when I worked the steps and took
action to
> correct them, but Bob has refused to use these spiritual tools that
AA
> offers (which is his choice) but for some unknown reason he
relentlessly
> attacks the AA program.

Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA program ever
since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking each one
of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.

http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891


Bob

Fighting with Bob is making you unwell. It's not worth the effort.
He is not worth the effort. Nobody deserves that kind of power over
your feelings. Is someone quietly putting ideas into your head? I
would urge you to either give it a rest and turn your thoughts to
someone you can help (Step 10), or do some other Step work with it.

The alternative is that you will drink.

From http://aainsa.org/ForTodAAy/Nov/11Rationalization.htm

"
"Rationalization":

Rationalization is defined in the story "Freedom from Bondage" as
"giving a socially acceptable reason for socially unacceptable
behavior, and socially unacceptable behavior is insanity." (Big Book,
p. 551.) One of the definitions in The Oxford American Dictionary for
rationlization is finding false reasons for irrational or unworthy
behavior.
"

--
Blue Moon

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:9tGfc.10402$zj3.5627@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
> > I faced the reality of my actions when I worked the steps and took
> action to
> > correct them, but Bob has refused to use these spiritual tools that
> AA
> > offers (which is his choice) but for some unknown reason he
> relentlessly
> > attacks the AA program.
>
> Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA program ever
> since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking each one
> of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.
>
> http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891
> Bob
>
Not a liar Bob, I just haven't had time to read your posts from the last 4
or 5 years that your NOW referring to until tonight. How it works says
""Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path"
not the Godless path you have chosen to take Bob. Yes, you recommend using
the steps, but the way you have chosen to use them violate the basic reason
the big Book was even written.
Page 44:
"Lack of power, that was our dilemma. we had to find a power by which we
could live, and it had to be a Power greater than ourselves. Obviously. But
where and how were we to find this Power? Well, that´s exactly what this
book is about. Its main object is to enable you to find a Power greater than
yourself which will solve your problem. That means we have written a book
which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral. And it means, of course,
that we are going to talk about God."

You have bastardized AA's big book to eliminate God from it and you think
you have worked the steps? Try building a house and ignoring the blue
prints Bob. Sure you might end up with something you can live in, but its
not what the designers intended.
Your use of the Big Book negates the main object of the Big Book and leaves
you with nothing but your own shadows of what could have been.

Big Book Again:
"Once more: The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental defense
against the first drink. Except in a few cases, neither he nor any other
human being can provide such a defense. His defense must come from a Higher
Power."
Based on this comment your relapse is just waiting to happen Bob. No higher
power = no defense.

Saying you have worked the steps the way you have is NOT AA. If it keeps
you sober fine, but saying you have what AA was intended to give alcoholics
is just not true. You can not work the steps of AA without finding a
higher power greater than yourself. This whole thing reminds me of when I
used my intelligence to lie to myself and others about my drinking. The
foolee and the fooler have the same IQ and it's easy to create
justifications for our actions or lack of them when all we hear is our own
thoughts.

More Big Book comments:
"Here are thousands of men and women, worldly indeed. They flatly declare
that since they have come to believe in a Power greater than themselves, to
take a certain attitude toward that Power, and to do certain simple things.
There has been a revolutionary change in their way of living and thinking.
In the face of collapse and despair, in the face of the total failure of
their human resources, they found that a new power, peace, happiness, and
sense of direction flowed into them. This happened soon after they
wholeheartedly met a few simple requirements."
You haven't worked the steps as designed and since you have yet to meet the
requirements mentioned above and your posts display the results of your lack
of power, peace, and happiness, that you express nearly every day in this
news group.

You posted most of these comments over the last 10 days and a few are taken
from your list how you support AA the members in it Bob:

Are you confusing intolerance with gratification? Fortunately for me,
having left AA, I have no need to force myself into the hypocrisy that
"love and tolerance" is my code.
Bob

Hope you have noted that Bill W, the architect of AA anti anger
utopianism, was himself engulfed by long term suicidal depression.
Nevertheless, if you insist on repressing justifiable anger, rather
than strive for a modicum of balance in expressing that anger; suppose
we can only hope your prayers for me do in fact change YOU.
Accommodating Bob.


Nah, she thinks she knows why I left "the hive" but she doesn't have
the slightest clue. The stupid bitch is probly so drugged she wouldn't
know what a nerve was.
Bob

jeez, Blue, I never claimed I don't resent that ugly bitch's smarm,
lies, and self promotion, in what used to be a relatively genuine
newsgroup.
Bleeding (self appointed) deacon Bob;-)

Having survived anti depressant prescriptions, I have drawn my own
conclusions about pharmaceutical companies, their bullshit, and their
products.
Bob

The *only* requirement for AA membership being a desire to stop
drinking, amongst other considerations, I have neither need nor
intention to drink again, merely to qualify.
Bob

God is not caring for your sponsees in the best possible way, by
removing your mouth from their scene?
Bob

Must be really tough on your "humility"
What an insecure HP you turned out to be!
Bob

You sanctimonious shit, pretending to compassion for Julie, while
keeping the flame wars going.
Bob

You are even a failure as a gossip merchant, apparently too drugged to
come up with any merchandise.
Bob

Nah, I don't need to lie about AA with fucked up examples like you and
rosie right here.
Bob

When, as a result of the steps, I temporarily abandoned power
tripping, AA dependence, and all prescription drugs, my chronic
depression permanently (so far) disappeared.
However, given my post referred specifically to "rosie's" treasured
drugs, yours is an exemplary simplistic response.
Are you "one of those" who chooses to be whacked out on drugs, while
trying to be snottily "holier than thou" about your drug dependence?
Bob

Faith that popping happy pills works, as long as pills are popped?
Bob

No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy pills keep
"pooping."
Bob

Seems to me, in hindsight, the only way I could ever have accessed solutions
most appropriate for me was by utilising the 12 steps; to start, and
continue, clearing away the rubble of guilt, fears, and resentments that had
overloaded my psyche for half a century.
Why on earth are you waiting for a "sponsor" before you start "to get into
the steps"?
Bob

In spite of your you're obviously projecting rosie. Are your happy
pills pooping again?
Naive pursuit of happiness, with ensuant drug dependence, is your
trip, not mine.
Bob

As long as you keep up the good works and repost, it will bypass
rosie's vaunted killfile, and may give that smarmy bitch an
appropriate resentment. Don't hold yer breath waiting though,
hypocrisy like hers indicates a hide thicker than a rhino.
Bob

Rosie, when the going gets tough, exemplifies confusion about what is
actually needed, while she is whacked into emotional anaesthesia by
her treasured drugs. Rosie will probably never learn the difference
between simplicity, and absurdity.
Bob

Why the fuck should anyone care what you think?
Bob

(p59)
"These are the steps we took"
Then on the next page we find, "No one among us has been able to
maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles"
The way I read that was, having taken the steps, the principles
revealed in taking them were not maintained with anything like
perfection, by anyone.
Seems to me that daily reprieve dependant on spiritual condition stuff
is merely an egotistical attempt to explain the inexplicable. There are
times I have stayed sober when I could not have been described as in
healthy spiritual condition with even the most liberal of definitions.
Bob

Nah, I've posted enough how I got sobriety with the steps, without all
the conceptual God bullshit.
Bob

This last comment of yours explains to me why you are the way you are Bob.
I will not disturb you further concerning your attempt to work the steps
without God and the results you have obtained in doing so. I pray that you
will see what you have done to yourself someday and that you will be able to
complete your journey in recovery.
God is not a concept,
Julie

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> You have bastardized AA's big book to eliminate God from it and you
think
> you have worked the steps?

Seems you still don't know if you're Arthur, or Martha.

Bastardising AA literature is *your* "compassionate" pal rosie's self
proclaimed specialty.
http://blank.org/link/?q=1082098659


Bob

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: "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:c5nd0k$3p9pf$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
: >
: > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
: > news:9tGfc.10402$zj3.5627@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...

: >
: > Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA program
ever
: > since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking each
one
: > of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.
: >
: > http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891
: > Bob
:


ROTFLMAO!
thanks for my morning laugh, julie!

robert has posted positively?

ROTFLMAO!

julie,
i hope you are feeling a little stronger
today...................have a great one!
rosie

Keep the flame war going rosie, we'll stress him/her out between us

Bob
"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:kaLfc.8279$l75.4231@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> :
> : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> : news:c5nd0k$3p9pf$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : >
> : > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> : > news:9tGfc.10402$zj3.5627@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> : >
> : > Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA program
> ever
> : > since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking each
> one
> : > of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.
> : >
> : > http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891
> : > Bob
> :
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> thanks for my morning laugh, julie!
>
> robert has posted positively?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> julie,
> i hope you are feeling a little stronger
> today...................have a great one!
> rosie
>
>

Maybe you were involved in a flame war Bob, but I was only partaking in a
discussion.
I feel I have done my part concerning you and I have no plans on responding
to your posts further.
Julie

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Keep the flame war going rosie, we'll stress him/her out between us
>
> Bob
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:kaLfc.8279$l75.4231@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > :
> > : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > : news:c5nd0k$3p9pf$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > : >
> > : > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > : > news:9tGfc.10402$zj3.5627@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >
> > : >
> > : > Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA program
> > ever
> > : > since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking each
> > one
> > : > of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.
> > : >
> > : > http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891
> > : > Bob
> > :
> >
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> > thanks for my morning laugh, julie!
> >
> > robert has posted positively?
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > julie,
> > i hope you are feeling a little stronger
> > today...................have a great one!
> > rosie
> >
> >
>
>

Actually, if you are telling the truth about the Hep C treatment,
there is a fellow posting daily next door at alt.recovery.aa, "ernie"
<ernie@aa.com> who posted a few minutes ago about his avoiding HepC
treatment. He might be grateful to hear of your experiences.

Bob


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> Maybe you were involved in a flame war Bob, but I was only partaking
in a
> discussion.
> I feel I have done my part concerning you and I have no plans on
responding
> to your posts further.
> Julie
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c5on6j$44k7e$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Keep the flame war going rosie, we'll stress him/her out between
us
> >
> > Bob
> > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:kaLfc.8279$l75.4231@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > > :
> > > : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> > > : news:c5nd0k$3p9pf$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > : >
> > > : > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > : >
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> > >
> > > : >
> > > : > Jeez, given I've posted positively about the simple AA
program
> > > ever
> > > : > since I have been online, and detailed my experience taking
each
> > > one
> > > : > of those steps, you're an incredible fucking liar.
> > > : >
> > > : > http://blank.org/link/?q=1082078891
> > > : > Bob
> > > :
> > >
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > thanks for my morning laugh, julie!
> > >
> > > robert has posted positively?
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > julie,
> > > i hope you are feeling a little stronger
> > > today...................have a great one!
> > > rosie
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Maybe you were involved in a flame war Bob, but I was only partaking
in a
> discussion.
> I feel I have done my part concerning you and I have no plans on
responding
> to your posts further.
> Julie

Julie,

Does this mean that you also plan to not continue conversing with me ?

JB