I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in the position
of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed a 28 day
program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not very good 4
or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed up to his
meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but the
letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains sober, provide
a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and this guy went
upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know is the
company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As a union
officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this is the
worst thing for him!!!

perhaps this will help?
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_136.htm

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"bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news8zdc.11602$BF2.1180740@news20.bellglobal.com ...
: I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in
the position
: of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed
a 28 day
: program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not
very good 4
: or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed
up to his
: meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but
the
: letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains
sober, provide
: a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and
this guy went
: upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know
is the
: company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary!
As a union
: officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic
this is the
: worst thing for him!!!
:
:

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:38 -0400, "bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>the
>company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As a union
>officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this is the
>worst thing for him!!!

If he's drunk, by definition he's not recovering. Losing a job is not
his biggest problem. The employer could be doing him a favour, though
the 18 months salary makes little sense to me.

--
Blue Moon

"bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news8zdc.11602$BF2.1180740@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in the
position
> of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed a 28
day
> program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not very good
4
> or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed up to
his
> meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but the
> letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains sober,
provide
> a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and this guy
went
> upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know is the
> company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As a
union
> officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this is
the
> worst thing for him!!!
>
>
Shortly after I started going to AA my company found out that I was in a
outpatient recovery program and fired me. I thought it was so unfair until
I realized that I could draw my unemployment and go to three meetings a day
if I wanted to (went to 346 meetings my first year). This was the best
thing that could have happened to me at the time.
Could it be that he went to the 28 day program only to save his job and not
to quit drinking? I hope not.
If this person is NOT trying to get sober then allowing then to sit at home
and do nothing but drink just might help them to hit their bottom and seek
the help they have been told about.
Either way its a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Julie
PS
I was a UAW union Stewart for four years. Doing the right thing was often
difficult. God bless you.
>
>

Thanks Julie, I did take him outside and talk with him. I explained to him
that I had been sober for a while.Reiterated the importance of meetings
getting a homegroup and a sponsor. I also told our union executive that I
was an alcoholic and that any other such cases such as this one I would like
to be involved.
"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BtAdc.2270$zj3.49@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
>
> "bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news8zdc.11602$BF2.1180740@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in the
> position
> > of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed a 28
> day
> > program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not very
good
> 4
> > or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed up to
> his
> > meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but the
> > letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains sober,
> provide
> > a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and this guy
> went
> > upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know is the
> > company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As a
> union
> > officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this is
> the
> > worst thing for him!!!
> >
> >
> Shortly after I started going to AA my company found out that I was in a
> outpatient recovery program and fired me. I thought it was so unfair
until
> I realized that I could draw my unemployment and go to three meetings a
day
> if I wanted to (went to 346 meetings my first year). This was the best
> thing that could have happened to me at the time.
> Could it be that he went to the 28 day program only to save his job and
not
> to quit drinking? I hope not.
> If this person is NOT trying to get sober then allowing then to sit at
home
> and do nothing but drink just might help them to hit their bottom and seek
> the help they have been told about.
> Either way its a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
> Julie
> PS
> I was a UAW union Stewart for four years. Doing the right thing was often
> difficult. God bless you.
> >
> >
>
>

"bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:rdEdc.14570$BF2.1239189@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Thanks Julie, I did take him outside and talk with him. I explained to him
> that I had been sober for a while.Reiterated the importance of meetings
> getting a homegroup and a sponsor. I also told our union executive that I
> was an alcoholic and that any other such cases such as this one I would
like
> to be involved.
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:BtAdc.2270$zj3.49@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> >
> > "bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news8zdc.11602$BF2.1180740@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in the
> > position
> > > of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed a
28
> > day
> > > program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not very
> good
> > 4
> > > or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed up
to
> > his
> > > meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but the
> > > letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains sober,
> > provide
> > > a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and this
guy
> > went
> > > upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know is
the
> > > company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As a
> > union
> > > officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this
is
> > the
> > > worst thing for him!!!
> > >
> > >
> > Shortly after I started going to AA my company found out that I was in a
> > outpatient recovery program and fired me. I thought it was so unfair
> until
> > I realized that I could draw my unemployment and go to three meetings a
> day
> > if I wanted to (went to 346 meetings my first year). This was the best
> > thing that could have happened to me at the time.
> > Could it be that he went to the 28 day program only to save his job and
> not
> > to quit drinking? I hope not.
> > If this person is NOT trying to get sober then allowing then to sit at
> home
> > and do nothing but drink just might help them to hit their bottom and
seek
> > the help they have been told about.
> > Either way its a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
> > Julie
> > PS
> > I was a UAW union Stewart for four years. Doing the right thing was
often
> > difficult. God bless you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Bruce,

I would recommend you keep in mind that we are not responsible for and have
no control over the "outcome." We can only carry the message -- not the
drunk.

Bobby L

"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:E2Fdc.4144$Yw5.298@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:rdEdc.14570$BF2.1239189@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Thanks Julie, I did take him outside and talk with him. I explained to
him
> > that I had been sober for a while.Reiterated the importance of meetings
> > getting a homegroup and a sponsor. I also told our union executive that
I
> > was an alcoholic and that any other such cases such as this one I would
> like
> > to be involved.
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:BtAdc.2270$zj3.49@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > >
> > > "bruce" <bruce002@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news8zdc.11602$BF2.1180740@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > I am the chief steward with our local union. Yesterday I was in the
> > > position
> > > > of trying to help get an alcoholic his job back. He just completed a
> 28
> > > day
> > > > program a couple weeks ago. His history with the company is not very
> > good
> > > 4
> > > > or 5 DWIs poor attendance and so on. My trouble was that he showed
up
> to
> > > his
> > > > meeting yesterday drunk. I wasn't handling his case personally but
the
> > > > letter he was to sign had stipulations in it that he remains sober,
> > > provide
> > > > a urine sample at the employers request. The union officer and this
> guy
> > > went
> > > > upstairs to meet with the HR representative and next thing I know is
> the
> > > > company is going to terminate him and give him 18 months salary! As
a
> > > union
> > > > officer this is good for the employee as a recovering alcoholic this
> is
> > > the
> > > > worst thing for him!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Shortly after I started going to AA my company found out that I was in
a
> > > outpatient recovery program and fired me. I thought it was so unfair
> > until
> > > I realized that I could draw my unemployment and go to three meetings
a
> > day
> > > if I wanted to (went to 346 meetings my first year). This was the
best
> > > thing that could have happened to me at the time.
> > > Could it be that he went to the 28 day program only to save his job
and
> > not
> > > to quit drinking? I hope not.
> > > If this person is NOT trying to get sober then allowing then to sit at
> > home
> > > and do nothing but drink just might help them to hit their bottom and
> seek
> > > the help they have been told about.
> > > Either way its a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
> > > Julie
> > > PS
> > > I was a UAW union Stewart for four years. Doing the right thing was
> often
> > > difficult. God bless you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Bruce,
>
> I would recommend you keep in mind that we are not responsible for and
have
> no control over the "outcome." We can only carry the message -- not the
> drunk.
>
> Bobby L
>
That comment gets a big AMEN from me Bobby
Julie
>