GILL wrote:
> Ken wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> In a long post (Re: Alcoholics Anonymous challenged to take part in an
>> open debate, 11/21/2007) Gill accused me,
>>
>> "You cut/paste and write out of context, what, should I believe your
>> crap?"
>>
>> Aside from having no clue what he is talking about because I had cut
>> _nothing_ from the thread, here is the report from the New York World
>> Telegram on an interview with Frank B, Bill Wilson's and Dr. Bob's
>> spiritual leader.
>
> Wasn't talking about the thread you dork, I was talking about your so
> called book.
>

Gill,

So then I was correct that you didn't read it.

>>
>> Nothing has been cut out which is probably just as well because it
>> sounds even worse in its entirety.
>>
>> I am awaiting further silly response from Gill to distract from the
>> issues at hand.
>
> What issue? That you have and underlying motive to attack AA?

Telling the truth about AA is attacking AA? That is a very, very sad
defense but probably the best one you have.

> Let's see, you failed yourself trying AA.

I failed? Wasn't AA supposed to help me stop drinking? How bizarre to
accuse those who resolve drinking problems far, far better without A.A.
of "failing A.A." Can you not see a serious problem with your thinking?

Would you also argue that someone who doesn't get over pneumonia with
penicillin but does much, much better with another antibiotic has
"failed penicillin"?

Unlike you, I'm trying to stay away from name-calling but there are a
few words that come to mind.

> You and a bunch of other book
> sellers don't want the court system to send people to AA,

What about the U.S. Circuit Courts that have made the rulings and the
U.S. Supreme Court which has chosen _not_ to challenge the Circuit
Courts' ruling that coercion into A.A. is illegal?

> and some of
> these book writers just happen to have another way for alcoholics to get
> sober, right?

Well, if you are going to call almost any way except AA, then I suppose
I have "another way."

> Oh, and all of the recovery hospitals and homes need to
> stop this spreading of Fascist followers and murderers.

Hey, it isn't my fault that you are a follower of Frank B's so-called
"spiritual principles" sanitized to deceive the public. Nor is it my
fault that so many people die "waiting for the miracle" because they
have been convinced by the Steppers they are Powerless.

> Wow, this sounds
> like a job for Homeland Security!
> Thanks for exposing this evil organization.
> Sorry for the silly response, it's just that your so silly.

Actually, you are acting in a very, very predictable fashion. You might
want to take a look at an article title "Cult Busting" about how cult
members act when their cult is criticized at:
http://www.morerevealed.com/articles/cult_busting.jsp

> Enough from me.........Troll on

Is only speaking with reverence of the codification of Oxford Group
spiritual principles, the Twelve Steps not trolling here? Is one only
allowed to speak of the resolution of drinking problems through the
adopting neo-Buchmanistic religion?

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/library/index.jsp