The RR argument is solid for a lot of people, Vern. There are certainly good
things in the book. I've never read any book about bad behavior that didn't
have something good to say.

On the other hand, I've met a lot of long-time dry drunks who had
'rationally recovered' by keeping booze out of their mouths.

The problem was that they were miserable when they were drinking, and they
stay miserable after they quit. I'm sure I'm not the only guy in here that's
tried 1400 ways to quit drinking before I admitted that I had problems way
way deeper than drinking.

If that wasn't true, I would be drunk right now, instead of thanking God for
AA rooms and the losers (LOLOLOLOL) I thought -- when I got there -- they
were filled with. Losers like the wonderful brothers and sisters that looked
me in the eye and said "get over it, Gary; you're a drunk and if you don't
get over you denial of the root problem(s), you're going to stay that way."

Thank God for all of you. Even you, Vern and the Rational Recovery movement;
like I said, how you get sober doesn't matter.

It's sort of like God -- I don't think it matters exactly what you call
him/her/it -- he'll be there for you if you just ask. In the Bhagavad Gita,
Krishna says to Arjuna "Many are the paths that men take to find me. They
all arrive in time..."

Gary in tampa and so very proud and thankful to God to be considered among
the Losers of this world :-)


On 11/6/07 11:11 AM, in article %m0Yi.4340$8S5.1486@edtnps82, "Stuart"
wrote:

> hey vern, first you suggest there's nothing wrong, then you go on to
> describe how one area of the brain is controlling another.
> can you really heal a malfunctioning mind using a malfunctioning mind, or do
> we need a souce of power other than that?
>
> If the upper brain can "harness" the lower brain, how did it get "harnessed"
> in the first place?
> "Vern" <VLfarmer@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1193661071.862241.26130@v3g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
>> On Oct 10, 7:26 am, skylas...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I've been drinking for a while, about 16 years. > Curse this disease.
>>> Thank you for listening.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>>
>> Here's from a post I did some time ago...been sober and living large
>> since March....no meetings...no peer pressure......it works on self
>> reliance......once you read the book you will understand !
>>
>> ================================================== ==================
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with you !
>>
>> Until you can recognize that your mid-brain is controlling your upper
>> brain (your intelligence, the real you) your will be hopelessly
>> addicted. The mid-brain thinks that it needs alcohol as it needs air,
>> food, or water. This is a natural function for the mid-brain (Beast)
>> that it learned in early stages of drinking. There is no "disease" of
>> alcoholism , only alcohol addiction.
>>
>>
>> The key is to recognize the "addictive voice" when the Beast is
>> attempting to convince you that it needs a drink. A permanent
>> comittment to "The Big Plan", that is to permanent abstinence quiets
>> the Beast when you consciencely reafirm it to the Beast "I never
>> drink
>> ever". It then goes away as if a dog gets yelled at and whimpers.
>>
>>
>> A $13 book (Rational Recovery) my daughter bought me while in de-tox
>> has changed my life.
>>
>>
>> AA's "One Day at a A Time" method perpetuates the addiction. Your are
>> not powerless. Your upper brain can harness the Beast as a cowboy
>> tames
>> the bull.
>>
>>
>> http://www.rational.org/faq.html
>>
>>
>> I wish you luck !
>>
>> ~ Vern
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