ho.fo@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 23, 7:52 pm, Ken <nob...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Mark T,
>>
>> You are making a valid point. While AA sprang from the Oxford Group
>> which in many ways acted Christian, perhaps because that was the only
>> way to win converts in a country that was strongly Christian at the
>> time, AA itself, except for old language from the Big Book which was
>> written as a piece of Oxford Group literature before there ever was an AA.
>>
>> AA is very clear than one can _call_ their "higher power" whatever they
>> want to. It never comes out and says that AA's rescuing deity is a
>> Christian God or the God of any other modern monotheistic religion.
>>
>> Many things about AA are decidedly non-Christian. For example, the whole
>> idea of "allergy to alcohol" and "loss of control" is hardly consistent
>> with Christian Communion. Neither was Bill Wilson's supposedly
>> channeling some guy named Boniface who had been dead for hundreds of
>> years to help write the Steps.
>>
>> One can _call_ their higher power Jesus, but the AA God is not quite
>> like the Christian God, at least not the Christian God in most if not
>> all Christian denominations prior to the 1900s.
>>
>> The AA God will spare the wretched sinner ("alcoholic") only "one day at
>> a time" and this requires steady morbid introspection ("daily
>> inventory"), confession of sins ("admission of defects of character")
>> and work to convert others ("carrying the message"). The Christian God
>> generally is recognized as capable of curing anything, even raising the
>> dead and has not near the requirements to do so as the Step group's God
>> does.
>>
>> Ken Raggehttp://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark T wrote:
>>> Sorry, but I have to comment.
>>> That is one of the most rediculous statements I have read in some
>>> time. I have been to thousands of AA meetings and heard pratically
>>> nothing about "Christian". No where in the Program (what they did 70
>>> years ago) does it say anything about being Christian. I, for one, am
>>> certainly NOT Christian and have been sober almost 7-1/2 years by
>>> doing what they did.- Hide quoted text -
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>
> i agree with you totally and was a bit suprised to even see this
> written here, i have just joined this site and am not sure what to do
> or say , seeing your reply is the one i totally relate to i figure go
> ahead and see if maybe you can enlighten me on this whole site. i too
> have been to many many meetings and have never heard anything about
> this, seeing relgion is an outside issue and was told that many times
> durning my 10 years of sobriety. Sorry to pick on you but here's
> hoping you can show me the way sort to speak...lol..Holly
>

To get a bit of insight as to what AA is today, it might help to see
where AA came from. There is a brief and very kind-and-gentle chapter
on the history of AA at:
http://www.morerevealed.com/library/mr/newmr_5.jsp .

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/library/