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Old 06-20-2005, 11:07 PM
Bill Alsobrook
 
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Re: Jews and the 12-step program

Pookie
In all honesty I have never attended a meeting in Houston here that is
not closed with the lords prayer, but no strict guides are set on what you
have to say within the prayer itself. I prefer to say something like, "on
earth as it is in Texas" and in the place of Daily Bread I prefer "Daily
Strength". In other words I am not really adhering to the Christian prayer,
I am making it my own. I am not a Christian as many believe is required for
AA. I am in reality a Wicca follower. Ummmmmmmm I guess I am going to hell
for that one, yeeeeee hawwwwwww, see ya'll are down there. I would also
never attended one of the church sponsored 12 step meetings as I am not a
Christian or even if Wiccans had one I would not attend that. The AA group
should be left completely clear of all denominations of religion. Yes there
are certain aspects of it that have crept into the shape and feel of the
meetings, but then again last time I check a dollar bill still said in God
we Trust. I don't see the folks that are so against AA, just because we use
the word God in a general sense, throwing away every dollar they get and
preaching out about the brainwashing of the U.S. Government that is trying
to convert them over with overt messages about God.

I'm Bill A. I am an Alcoholic

"pookie" <jahselassieI@toast.net> wrote in message
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> "Bill Alsobrook" <balsobrook@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Yeah Pookie,
>> I attended one every week in a church basement, and just like every other
>> meeting I have been in, there is allot of F'ing this and other nice
>> little words that good Christians would not use so close to a house of
>> worship, funny though, I though we were Religious to an Extreme according
>> to Ken. Hummmm Guess when I started drinking they changed the rules on me
>> and now its ok to take the lords name in Vain, lmao. Maybe Ken needs to
>> go back and read the difference between what the original 6 steps of the
>> Oxford group had as compared to the 12 given to us by Bill W and Dr Bob.
>> I will always agree that the Oxford group was a RELIGIOUS GROUP. But I
>> fail to find the relationship to AA in that regard.
>>
>> My name is Bill A, and I am an Alcoholic.

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> Hi Bill, I'm with you. I have attended meetings that were 12-step
> meetings, and they were religious, but they were not AA or NA. There are
> churches where people are invited to come and work on their addiction with
> other Christians, and although they loosely base themselves on AA, they
> are not. They write their own 12 steps and have their own ways of doing
> things, all based on God as He is understood by Christians. I've never
> seen any praying in AA meetings, or anything resembling a Christian
> worship service, so I just don't understand how this whole 'religious'
> thing came about. Regardless of what the group was originally, it is not
> the Oxford Group now, and it sure ain't a religious group. If it were,
> there's a whole *lot* of stuff that wouldn't be happening, not just the
> cursing!! lol
>
> Pookie
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