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Old 06-15-2005, 10:16 PM
Ken Ragge
 
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Re: Sobriety without the fucking 12 step program!!

stuart wrote:

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>>stuart wrote:
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>>>"Ken Ragge" <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>>The Glass Prison wrote:
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>>>>>I may take you up on that Ken. I briefly looked at "morerevealed" and
>>>>>perhaps I may tell my stories. They involve my life nearly taken twice
>>>>>at both Betty Ford and Hazelden after being drug-free for over two
>>>>>weeks each time. These things shouldn't happen at what they call "a
>>>>>safe place". It makes me shudder and cry when I think about it. I still
>>>>>have my written diaries and witnesses and it makes a good story. I'll
>>>>>try if I can (always wanted to), but sometimes it's better to put the
>>>>>past behind you.
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>>>>>Of course, I am angry at myself and not because I made poor decisions
>>>>>that got me to treatment. What happened to me there was not my fault.
>>>>>It's like someone being admitted to a hospital for a drug overdose and
>>>>>the next day, they slip on a mopped wet floor and break their leg. Who
>>>>>is to blame for this? The fine upstanding hospital or the low-life
>>>>>junkie just for being there? I know who society and certainly the
>>>>>state, judge, jury, and insurance companies would choose.
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>>>>>I still have ongoing issues and who better to let my anger out at than
>>>>>the individuals who nearly took my life twice, and then tried to "blow
>>>>>it off" with a fairy tale (the 12-step program). They were the people
>>>>>(and places) that I trusted in, wanted to love and believe in. But
>>>>>tragedy struck, twice, and I saw everything was disguised.
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>>>>>Thanks for your understanding response.
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>>>>>PS> I am a raised Roman Catholic, driven by fear and guilt. Need I say
>>>>>more?
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>>>>Being angry can be a tremendous resource to do the things you need to

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>>>Sure, and a whole pile of other shit he don't need to do...
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>>> Good luck with it.
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>>>25 to life...

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>>Stuart,
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>>I don't think people normally come up with the idea that anger can
>>_only_ be used for destructive purposes until after the Step groups.
>>However, what a wonderful, productive suggestion you have.

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> Being motivated by love is always better than anger, Ken.
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Stuart,

This is profound. I am amazed by its profundity.

I met the brother of a dear friend about a year ago. He speaks of
people with great love who surrounded him in the hospital while
undergoing a heart transplant. Although his family is Jewish, he now
describes himself as a "Messianic Jew" and couldn't avoid turning my
friends funeral, rather than talking about her and what she meant to
him, into an opportunity to wins souls for Jesus.

I suppose that kind of love can be turned on like a switch. I've seen
love-bombing.

So to you love has nothing to do with your emotional life, it is a
matter of thought and obedience?

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

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>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com

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