Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
> > How to profit Kem. Create your own question and then provide an answer
by
> > "someone else"
> > Your're as sleazy as Orange.
> > Lets do an infomercial.
>
> Stuart,
>
> Are you for real? Do you really think I posted that message? Do you
> really think that of all the millions of people exposed to AA among who
> are 1-2 million who are coerced at the behest of AA that no one is going
> to be critical of "The Program" or not want to go?

Ken what gave it away was the spellcheck program all of those folks who are
posting with glowing endorsement of your ideas. They gloss on their
endorsement is almost radioactive.
I don't disagree with your ideas, nut your methods are really cheesy.
Limburger that is. Smells a little...



>
> Do you really think that the "success" stories in AA, people who have
> sat in the rooms and preached about their own disease, the Powerlessness
> of the alcoholic and need for the 12-Step/Oxford Group "personal God" to
> survive "One day at a time" are attractive to all those who wander in or
> are forced to go?
>
> You folks are the ones who would fit just as well in a TV infomercial as
> in your Fundamentalist style prayer and witness meetings. And to me,
> you are just as credible.
>
> You might try thinking before you make stupid accusations. Did you get
> that accusation from your conscious contact with God acquired through
> working the Steps? The original founder of the Step theology, Frank
> Buchman, had conscious contact with God and got messages too. God told
> him "Thank Heavens for a man like Adolph Hitler . . . too bad about the
> Jews . . ."
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
> > Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:42AD05DC.4090106@nospam.com...
> >
> >>M$Man wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm a 30 yr old man clean for 98 days. My drug of choice was coke, with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>screw driver chaser to clean my throat after every line, I started
using
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>college 12 years ago and was a daily user for 6 years. I spent 30 days
> >
> > in a
> >
> >>>controlled detox, while there I was forced to attend 12 step meetings.
I
> >
> > see
> >
> >>>an addiction therapist weekly, who tells me in every session that I am
> >
> > only
> >
> >>>buying time, and can never maintain my sobriety with out a program. I
> >
> > have
> >
> >>>made several attempts to find a meeting that's right for me, but
> >
> > haven't. I
> >
> >>>am also an agnostic, and have deep issues with the theocratic structure
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>AA. I am a high-bottom addict I'm told, in that I have never lost every
> >>>thing and been forced to live in the gutter and sale my ass for a
bottle
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>Absolute. That's part of my issue with the program as well, its
designed
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>people that have hit bottom and can go no lower, a jail house
conversion
> >
> > if
> >
> >>>you will. While I did reached that point, that is, I became so
disgusted
> >>>with the unmanageable downward spiral my life was taking, I still
> >
> > managed to
> >
> >>>keep it together. Never lost my job, house, family, friends, and they
> >
> > have
> >
> >>>all supported me through my recovery.
> >>>
> >>>So my question is, are there people out there that have managed to stay
> >>>clean and sober with out the program? Is my desire to stay sober and
> >
> > live to
> >
> >>>see 40 enough to sustain me? I think it is, I mean, I had the
> >
> > wherewithal to
> >
> >>>admit myself, and dry out, and have maintained for 68 days since I got
> >
> > out!
> >
> >>>Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks - Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Chris,
> >>
> >>Most people end up abstaining or moderating alcohol and drug use with no
> >>outside assistance whatsoever. Most people who go to 12-Step struggle
> >>to give it up sometimes for the rest of their lives.
> >>
> >>The Step groups aren't merely religious, they are religious cults and an
> >>offshoot of a pro-fascist Fundamentalist Christian cult called the
> >>Oxford Group. There is a lot of information about them at:
> >>http://www.morerevealed.com . Maybe very interesting to you is a book
> >>on the website which goes into AA history, its "success" rates
> >>(actuallly it is a horrible failure) and the techniques they use to
> >>destablilize people and gain new recruits.
> >>http://www.morerevealed.com/books/mr/
> >>
> >>It isn't really surprising that people who sit around talking about
> >>alcohol and drugs for years on end and under constant pressure to an
> >>authoritarian religious cult don't do nearly as well as those who stop
> >>or moderate and move on with life.
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>
> >
> >
> >