stuart wrote:
> "Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12
>
> Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
> LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom
> first..
Often because it escapes our attention that we are at bottom.

>If anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the
> irrational thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say
> three words..Jails, Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.
If you don't like having the fun poked at you then don't poke fun at others!
>
> Here we got a guy who can't/won't get his ass to a meeting because of
> his "nerves". This same guy said he almost got "caught" drinking and
> driving. As if his biggest problem would have been getting "caught'
> selfish/sel-centred attitude.
Guess what, That the alcoholic attitude and guess what else. Guess what this
group is about.
>
> I have had the wonderful experience of visiting a friend, a practicing
> alcoholic. I him dead on his toilet, with a beer on the bathroom
> counter, half finished. He had been dead for a week or so, and had
> shit his underpants when he died.
So what? There are a lot of us here who have seen death at the hands of
alcohol, myself included. This Doesn't give us the right to make arsy
comments like, "Fuck off and use your head for something other than a hat
rack" Did you really think a comment like that would help?
>
> I do not pull punches to coddle those who are spouting stupidity.
And I bet you do that to newbies who for some reason you either never see
again or get stroppy with you..

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