<ILL-K-9@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6012-41DBEF0A-128@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net...
> Hi folks, About 2 years ago while looking for some info about online
> meetings in chat rooms I ran across a discussion group in MSN. I can't
> remember what name they went by but It was similar to all the others.
> This group of people discussed alternative ways of recovery without the
> 12 steps. I don't know why but hell, to each his own I guess. I know
> that probably goes against everything most of you believe in [ sorry ]
> but I was hoping to find it again. Maybe it folded LOL! There was a
> 12 step group in my town for agnostics & atheists. I don't know exactly
> how it worked. Maybe they replaced the word God with self or.... ah hell
> who knows? Anyway they didn't last long either. OK, I'm rambling...then
> again if you ever been to a meeting... you're used to that. I really
> need to find this group. If anyone remembers it or has any info at all
> or even if you know of another group that's similar....I'm trying to
> track down a few people that used to post there. I would greatly
> appreciate anything at all that might lead me to someplace like this [
> discussion or chat ] I'll check back again. Good luck to you all &
> thanks very much for your time. Sincerely, K9 ps. O.D.A.T
>

I'm not sure the program works at all if you replace "god" with "self"....
It seems to me that is perhaps most of the problem already. Just my take.

Anyway, I recommend you search for either Moderation Management groups or
Rational Recovery groups. Sounds like your looking for Rational Recovery
groups. Now generally these programs have a price involved, but knowing
alcoholics like I do, I cannot imagine it would take too long to find way us
to do most anything without paying for it.

Oh Yeah, There is a twelve step group in my town for agnostics and atheists,
too -- it's called Alcoholics Anonymous.



Bobby L